Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 07:03:37 PST
From: The Moderators <info-mac-request@sumex-aim.stanford.edu>
Reply-To: Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #244
To: info-mac-list


Info-Mac Digest             Wed, 22 Dec 93       Volume 11 : Issue 244

Today's Topics:

      [*] AV Cache Tuner Submission
      [*] directory_src.sit
      [*] ISV Commitments to AppleScript
      [*] kngpa-maps-v4.hqx
      [*] More AV Patches
      [*] New AppleScript Kit (2 msgs)
      [*] software submission mac/graphics
      [*] SpeedyFinder7 1.5.9
      Abaton color scanner incompatibility?
      AppleCD 300 promotion in France !! (C)
      apple flames (C)
      AV Audio Input Questions
      Bad F-Line Instruction
      Can any Personal Time Manag (R)
      CD-ROM readers, any recommendations???(Q)
      Chicago/Splat/PopChar/Truetype
      cmd key, splat key, flower key, fan key...
      Command in Chicago elaborated
      Difficulties with a Quantum 1800S
      DTMF Tone generator
      FaxSTF - no upgrade policy
      IIgs monitor on mac?
      Info-Mac Digest V11 #243
      Installing Laserwriter8 (Q)
      Kai's Photoshop Power Tips by FTP
      Mac "REAL" multitasking...? (r)
      Mac "REAL" multitasking...? (r) (fwd)
      Mac diskettes
      Mac IIcx serial port: output only?!
      Mac Multitasking
      Modem recommedations ($300 or less)?
      New MacIntosh Unix file sharing software from Xinet
      None
      PB 100 startup solution
      Preemptive Downloads and MacIntercomm
      Printer Driver Needed
      Real Multi-tasking...
      Remote Access - Advice Please!
      Serial Tool. Last Version?
      Summagraphics digitizing tablet?
      Tape Drives/Tape formats (Q)
      WANTED: List for Amiga Users
      Xmas-Lights
      XMAS Lights problems (A)

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 02:01:33 CST
From: Akira <ZU01988%UABDPO.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: [*] AV Cache Tuner Submission

Here is yet another System Extension to speed up the AV machines. It
speeds up most disk operations which deal with lots of files such as
copying, moving, and deleting files.

Akira

[Archived as /info-mac/cfg/av-cache-tuner.hqx; 2K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 08:54:22 -0800 (PST)
From: kenlong@netcom.com (Ken Long)
Subject: [*] directory_src.sit

Directory is o PD (for noncommercial use) Think C 5.0.4 project which
puts up a window, shows progress data of scans of mounted volumes in a
window for each, then displays full path trees for all files on the volumes.

Teaches about getting full paths, scanning volumes, scrolling text,
writing data to a window, and much more.

[Archived as /info-mac/dev/src/directory-c.hqx; 49K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 18:34:19 -0600
From: macmod@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU (Info-Mac Moderator)
Subject: [*] ISV Commitments to AppleScript

MOVED OVER PR NEWSWIRE AT 8:17 AM, EDT MONDAY, DECEMBER 13, 1993.

Apple Gains Wide-Spread ISV Commitment for AppleScript

Leading Software Developers Make Their Applications Scriptable

[Archived as /info-mac/info/sft/isv-commitment-for-as.txt; 5K]

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1993 18:40:02 -0600 (CST)
From: BERNIE FOULK <BFOULK@VAX1.UMKC.EDU>
Subject: [*] kngpa-maps-v4.hqx

Please include the following binhexed file in your
bolo archives.  Thanks.

Introducing the KNGPA's Volume 4 Bolo Map Archive!
35 previously unreleased brand-spankin' new maps.

KNGPA v4 maps include: Amaze, BadgerCentral, BFE
Floyd, Blood & Cement, Book 'em, Dano!, bull stamp
island, City of Doom, DiagonalGopherFruit,
Ditherworld, Domain, edmond, the ruffage, fat pig
playing a slide whistle, Fleeing Ginger, Forest
Fire, Gates Overshadows, Glumpard's Secretion,
Islands in the...  er...  ocean, KillZone 22e,
little brown joint, Modified Sherwood, my country
'tis of the..., New Woodchuck Forest, Ode to
Wolfblitzer, Plankton, Pud City, Quadratis, Ring of
Fire, Shore Drive, Spunky's Village of Carnage,
stubland, Tantrum City, Teamwork compadres,
teamwork, the old man died, Turkey Jerky, and Wacked
Land.

Thanks.

send any comments/suggestions/alterations to:
     bfoulk@vax1.umkc.edu

[Archived as /info-mac/game/bolo/kngpa-maps-v4.hqx; 120K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 02:04:56 CST
From: Akira <ZU01988%UABDPO.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: [*] More AV Patches

Here are a few more AV patches for the AV's that I got from AppleLink.

Akira

[Archived as /info-mac/cfg/av-patches.hqx; 8K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:15:48 PST
From: macmod (Info-Mac Moderator)
Subject: [*] New AppleScript Kit

MOVED OVER PR NEWSWIRE AT 8:16 AM, EDT MONDAY, DECEMBER 13, 1993.


Contact:
Emilio Robles
Apple Computer, Inc.
(408) 862-5671

or

Toni Giusti
Cunningham Communication, Inc.
(408) 982-0400


Apple Delivers New AppleScript Scripter's Kit for Solution Providers

New Toolkit Allows Solution Providers to Integrate Off-the-shelf Applications
Across Desktops and Networks for Increased Productivity

CUPERTINO, California--December 13, 1993--Apple Computer, Inc. today
introduced its AppleScript Scripter's Kit, a new software tool that enables
solutions providers and end-users to integrate elements of commercial
Macintosh software applications across desktops and networks.  By providing
an easy way to integrate computing processes across different off-the-shelf
applications, AppleScript allows users to dramatically boost productivity.
    The AppleScript Scripter's Kit brings Apple's scripting language to a new
class of users.  Now, the power and extendibility of AppleScript is available
to solutions providers, in-house developers, value-added resellers (VARs),
system integrators and end-users.  Since April 1993, AppleScript has been
available as a software developer's kit for commercial software developers.
    "AppleScript is a key technology that provides significant added value to
customers' existing desktop and networked applications, without costly
investment in new operating system technologies," said AppleSoft senior vice
president and general manager David Nagel. "Building on the extensible
foundation of System 7 and our cross- platform Open Scripting Architecture
(OSA), AppleScript is at the heart of Apple's commitment to make computing
easier and more focused on users' needs.  AppleScript and the OSA provide a
clear path towards Apple's universal compound document environment known as
OpenDoc."
    The AppleScript Scripter's Kit includes an enhanced version of Apple's
scripting language,  AppleScript 1.1, an enhanced script editor, and an
interface processor from Software Designs Unlimited, Inc.  AppleScript is a
system-software-level scripting language that enables users to integrate
components of commercial and in-house software applications.  The interface
builder from Software Designs Unlimited, Inc., allows users to build
interfaces for their scripts.

Powerful New Automation Features
    The AppleScript scripting language enables users to tightly integrate the
functionality of standard, off-the-shelf applications as well as in-house,
enterprise-wide programs to build customized scripts that automate business
processes and increase productivity.
    For example, with AppleScript, a sales department can automatically
generate a weekly report that invokes functions from a series of scriptable
applications such as Microsoft Excel, FileMaker Pro and QuarkXPress.
AppleScript can gather data from one application, process it in another and
present it in a third automatically at a given time or based on an event,
locally or over a network.  Before AppleScript, these time-consuming
functions needed to be performed manually by launching and working directly
in each individual application.

"Scriptable" Applications
    Since the AppleScript Software Developer's Kit was introduced in April
1993, over 80 independent software vendors (ISVs) are now shipping
AppleScript-aware applications (see related news release). ISVs that provide
scriptable applications include:  Aldus, Beyond, Claris, Great Plains,
Microsoft, Quark, Symantec, UserLand and WordPerfect among others.
    "AppleScript has built a loyal following among commercial developers.
Through OSA, AppleScript is open, extensible and operates across networks,
which makes it an attractive solution for a wide variety of applications and
solutions," said Chuck Piercey, product marketing manager for AppleScript.
"Today's leading commercial software developers have recognized the payoff of
AppleScript for themselves as well as for their users and have mobilized to
make sure they can take advantage of this powerful technology."
    Scriptable products help ISVs reach new users by enabling their products
to be built into more solutions.  AppleScript gives ISVs an easy way to
differentiate their products and leverage new technologies such as voice
recognition.  In addition, AppleScript helps ISVs reduce development time and
costs by removing the need to create a proprietary scripting language.

Solution Providers
    The AppleScript Scripter's Kit is an important tool for corporate
solution providers because it introduces new business opportunities. With the
Scripter's Kit, solution providers such as in-house developers, consultants,
VARs and system integrators, can tightly link components of existing software
applications to provide tailored solutions.  The ability to easily leverage
proven, commercial applications in new ways allows solution providers to
enhance the functionality and value of their product.
    AppleScript Scripter's Kit lets solution providers take a more targeted
business approach.  Since AppleScript can directly record user actions in
certain applications, solution providers can customize their products to meet
very specific user needs or provide solutions that are easily customizable by
the user.
    "AppleScript is gaining momentum because it encourages new levels of
functionality and efficiency with today's leading applications," said Tony De
Young, of San Francisco-based production company ARTLab. "Scripting gives us
the ability to access and leverage the millions of lines of commercial
software code and provide our customers with the kind of focused solutions
they need.  For example, we used AppleScript to mimic an existing workflow
that had previously taken 30 people six weeks to complete.  Using AppleScript
with three existing software programs, we were able to produce the same
results with one person in two hours."

End Users
    Ultimately, AppleScript allows end-users to focus on getting work done
quickly.  The Scripter's Kit allows users to combine familiar applications in
custom ways to automate routine work and perform complex, time-consuming
tasks.

The AppleScript Scripter's Kit
    The AppleScript Scripter's Kit, targeted at solution providers and end
users, contains AppleScript 1.1 and a script editor that automatically
generates and edits scripts based on user's actions. The Scripter's Kit also
includes:  an interface processor that enables building custom interfaces for
scripts; support for multiple dialects that provides for scripting in
non-English languages (French and Japanese are included); and a
redistribution license for AppleScript system software and interface
processor runtime code.
    The AppleScript scripting language is integrated into the Macintosh
operating system and conforms to Apple's cross-platform Open Scripting
Architecture (OSA) standard.  Developed in cooperation with third-party
developers, the OSA provides a standard way for mainstream applications to
interact with any scripting system and is a key deliverable of Apple's
OpenDoc technology.  OpenDoc is a compound document architecture that enables
users to create compound, customizable documents.  AppleScript is an element
of Apple's long- term strategy to automate the Macintosh computing
environment, improve application interaction and provide a foundation
technology for OpenDoc.

Software Developer's Kit
    AppleScript was offered initially as a toolkit for commercial software
developers in April and is now updated to Version 1.1.  The AppleScript
Developer's Kit for commercial developers includes the AppleScript Scripter's
Kit plus a pre-release version of the scriptable finder and development
tools.  Apple also licenses the AppleScript runtime software and the script
editor to commercial developers for shipment with their products.  For more
information on licensing, developers worldwide should contact Apple Software
Licensing at (408) 974-4667.

Pricing and Availability
    The U.S. suggested retail price of the AppleScript Scripter's Kit 1.1 is
$189.  Volume purchases of site licenses are available for the AppleScript
Scripter's Kit through the Apple volume licensing program.
    The AppleScript Scripter's Kit 1.1 is planned to be available at the end
of the month and will be able to be ordered through software resellers, Apple
authorized resellers and APDA -- Apple's source for developer tools.  APDA
can be reached in the United States at (800) 282-2732;  in Canada at (800)
637-0039; or internationally at (716) 871-6555.  Apple resellers can be
located by calling (800) 538-9696.
    All customers have access to toll-free telephone support by calling Apple
Assurance at (800) SOS-APPL.  Advanced scripting support is available for a
fee by calling (800) 950-2442.

-30-

Apple, the Apple logo, and Macintosh are registered trademarks and System 7
and AppleScript are trademarks of Apple Computer, Inc.

EDITOR'S NOTE:  The AppleScript Scripter's Guide, which lists all scriptable
applications, is available by contacting Cindy Cooper of Cunningham
Communication, Inc. at AppleLink address:  CCI.Calif.  If you are interested
in receiving Apple releases via fax, call (800) AAPL-FAX and enter I.D.
number 6172.

END


Transmitted:  93-12-13 12:28:54 EST

[Archived as /info-mac/info/sft/as-scripters-kit.txt; 9K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 18:34:10 -0600
From: macmod@CAMIS.Stanford.EDU (Info-Mac Moderator)
Subject: [*] New AppleScript Kit

MOVED OVER PR NEWSWIRE AT 8:16 AM, EDT MONDAY, DECEMBER 13, 1993.

Apple Delivers New AppleScript Scripter's Kit for Solution Providers

New Toolkit Allows Solution Providers to Integrate Off-the-shelf Applications
Across Desktops and Networks for Increased Productivity

[Archived as /info-mac/info/sft/as-scripters-kit.txt; 9K]

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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 94 13:53:41 +0100
From: skok@itwds1.energietechnik.uni-stuttgart.de (Holger Skok)
Subject: [*] software submission mac/graphics

Hello,

I'd like to submit a program that I have gotten as shareware from
a German programmer:
graphicconverter1.7.6

It is a format conversion program which is able to handle a lot of
pixel formats from Mac, PC, Atari and SUN. It also imports and exports
HPGL/2 and PICT, and can export EPSF.

I found it pretty handy with HPGL since in batch conversion from HPGL
to PICT it keeps the vectorized nature of the file.

[Archived as /info-mac/grf/util/graphic-converter-176.hqx; 433K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 13:55:12 +1100 (EST)
From: Victor Tan <victort@ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Subject: [*] SpeedyFinder7 1.5.9

SpeedyFinder7 is an operating system software enhancement. It performs
both cosmetic and speed enhancements. It has numerous features. There are
too many to list here. Amongst the most important ones are:

- speeds up Finder copying by increasing the transfer size and memory.
- empties the trash faster then the Finder in the foreground.
- removes subjectively annoying zoom rectangles.
- gives graphical indication of a floppy disk type.
- and many more.

Registered users are entitled to the backgrounder which copies files and
empties the trash in the background.

SpeedyFinder7 is shareware - see the enclosed document for details.

It may be free distributed as long as a notice that the software is
shareware and needs to be registered for use.

This package has been compressed in Aladdin Systems, Inc StuffIt v3.0
format. You will require an Aladdin StuffIt v3.0 product to decompress
the package. An application like StuffIt Expander will suffice.

Merry Xmas.

[Archived as /info-mac/gui/speedy-finder7-159.hqx; 201K]

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 14:07:30 -0800 (PST)
From: <fzchoy@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Abaton color scanner incompatibility?

I have an Abaton Scan 300/Color flatbed scanner that I purchased in 1990.
I was using it with a Mac IIsi and Photoshop 2.0.1.  I am now using an
840av and the scanner is not working.  I have been told by Everex that the
scanner is incompatible with any 040 machine and Abaton is out of
business.  Does anyone have software that will drive the scanner on an 040
machine?
I do not routinely read this bulletin board, so I would appreciate any
info being sent to my E-mail address (mchoy@ucdavis.edu).  Thanks

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 16:08:51 +0100
From: Jean-Claude Arnouil <arnouilj@oahu.esiee.fr>
Subject: AppleCD 300 promotion in France !! (C)

 I'm sure the following news will interest you if you plan to buy a
CD-Rom drive in the next weeks:

 Apple France is doing a limited offer for their CD300 drive:

 - until 02/28/94 it will cost 1490 FF ($250) with one of the best
   CD-Rom title in French: "Comus et Bacchus" (French vines and food)

 This new price is less than half the old price !! Almost for us.

 I've got that information on the Apple NEWS #1 newsletter which was in

my mailbox yesterday morning.

 Merry Christmas


 Jean-Claude

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 15:05:03 MEZ
From: David Steiner <DSTEINER@dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
Subject: apple flames (C)

Geez, Brian, it seems anything that effects the producer
of our favorite toy/tool is open game here on IM. I don't remember
seeing any flames when all the gossip over Sculley's aniticipated move
was the hot topic of discussion. Is it the fact that this particular
message had nothing to do with the technical side of Apple or is it
(dare I suggest it) the political/moral topic (human rights and social
conscience) that offends?

Disclaimer: I speak for myself only. Isn't that enough?

David R. Steiner, Research Assoc., Remote Sensing & GIS
ISPA-Uni. Osnabrueck     D-49364 Vechta, Germany

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 09:45:57 GMT
From: Sak Wathanasin <sw@network-analysis-ltd.co.uk>
Subject: AV Audio Input Questions

In Info-Mac digests vol 11 no 242, "Richard C. S. Kinne"
<kinnerc@snymorva.cs.snymor.edu> writes:

> What we are confused about is audio input.
> The only audio input on a 660AV seems to be the Plaintalk mic jack in
> the back.  Via the Fusion software it is possible to put audio on
> Quicktime movies in this way, but we are forced to wonder if there is
> not a cleaner way to do this.

The mic input on the AV Macs will accept any line-level input. In
particular, you can connect the output from a pre-amp such as the tape
out from an amplifier or the audio out from a CD player or tape deck or
VCR. Note that the PlainTalk mics have a built-in pre-amp, but that the
older mics do not. That is why you cannot use these mics with the AV
Macs: the signal they produce is too weak. I have my amp connected to
the audio in on my AV, and can thus easily switch between tape deck,
CD, VCR or mic inputs. (Of course, the main reason for the amp is
to get decent sound output from the Mac. :-)

You can also sample audio directly from a CD if you have a CD300 or
equivalent. Launch "simple movie player" or equivalent.  Select the
"play" command, and insert the audio CD. The standard file dialogue box
appears with a list of audio tracks (switch to the CD drive if
necessary). Select a track of your choice and save to a QuickTime
movie.  Note that at CD quality, a stereo track will oocupy around
10MB of storage on your hard disk per min of sound.


Sak Wathanasin
Network Analysis Limited

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Date: 21 Dec 1993 21:44:30 -0500
From: jhbauer@panix.com (Jonathan Bauer)
Subject: Bad F-Line Instruction

Okay netters - here's the problem.  Over the past two weeks or so I have
had, intermitantly, a freeze on startup when the finder loads giving me
the dialog box "finder bad f-line instruction", the only option given
being to restart.  Sometimes, but not always, I can get the finder to load
by disabling all extensions.  What is a "bad f-line instruction"?  I have
replaced my finder (7.1), it works alright for a while and then I get the
dreaded dialog box.

If anyone is knowledgable about this please let me know.  If it's a FAQ my
apologies, perhaps someone can refer me to a site with the information I
need.  Finally, if someone thinks it might be a cdev or an init I can
e-mail a list of what I am using.

Thanks in advance.

Jonathan

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 10:23:59 +0100
From: eytan@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr (Michel Eytan, LILoL)
Subject: Can any Personal Time Manag (R)

>
>Date: Fri, 17 Dec 93 06:31:57 PST
>From: jbthoo@ucdavis.edu (John Thoo)
>Subject: Can any Personal Time Manag (R)
>
>
>On 14 Dec 1993 Rick_Sutcliffe@faith.twu.ca (Rick Sutcliffe) wrote:
>>           Can any Personal Time Manager Do This?
>>     I have examined and discarded as useless numerous personal time managers
>> over the years.  Why?  Because not one of them could allow an entry to be
>> made on the basis of a teacher's timetable.
>> * I want to be able to have an item repeat at a specific time either MWF or
>> TuTh for a specified number of weeks.
>> * Better, I want to be able to set up a weekly group of times (say, MWF 1000
>> - 1100 plus M1600-1700) and have that group repeat for a specified number of
>> weeks or over a date range.
>> * Even more better still, I want statutory holidays excluded
>> automaticallyQbut if this is done, the holidays had better not be wired in
>> USA holidays.
>> * I want an alarm to go off 5 min before anything in the category of a
>> "class" or a "meeting" but not necessarily before every category of
>> appointment.
>>      So, does anyone know of one of these schedule thingys that can do it
>> this way nowadays? NOW? PowerTeam, Reminder?  etc, etc.
>
>Try  [app/do-it-all-302.hqx]  at sumex-aim.
>
>--John.
>J. B. THOO, Math Dept, Univ of California, Davis <jb2@math.ucdavis.edu>


I *have* tried Do It All! v.3.0.2 and although it has very good scheduling
functionality, it does *not* do everything that Rick has asked for:
'statutory holidays excluded automatically' is not available and you cannot
have an item repeating for a specified number of weeks. But then even the
Calendar Manager V3 (part of OpenWindows V3) on my Sparc cannot do
everything Rick asks for...

 ~=michel <eytan@dpt-info.u-strasbg.fr>

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:16:55 EST
From: bouldin@anvil.nrl.navy.mil
Subject: CD-ROM readers, any recommendations???(Q)

This is the 2nd try, since I got *no* replies the first time: Do any of you
having suggestions about which CD-ROM readers to get?? I want one, I think,
but I don't know which one!!! Now that apple has taken to releasing MPW
updates and the Develop stuff on CD, this seems like something we will all
need.

Are there any good recent reviews anywhere?? (Adam Engst, if you are listening
this is a good thing for tidbits, cause it is moving so fast that the paper
publications just can't stay current.)

If I get any replies, I will summarize back to info-mac. Are there other
groups where I should ask this question?

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:12:02 -0500
From: Louis Mackey <wk04959@worldlink.com>
Subject: Chicago/Splat/PopChar/Truetype

Al Bloom <IRBLOOM%VTVM1.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU> writes (in response to
several others:

>> That's why there is a fontlet in the archives called Chicago Symbols.
>> It reliably gives you all those toys.

A return to Chicago madness.

The Truetype Chicago included in System 7 contains the control characters (by
the way if any one is still keeping track I call the Apple key the Apple Key,
but I have also heard it called Splat). If you are run a system prior to
System 7 (or System 6.0.5 with the truetype init & and Chicago truetype font)
you will not have all the symbols at all sizes.

This is because Chicago (9 and 12 I think) (and maybe 1 size each of monoco
and Geneva) are built into rom on all machines since the SE (I might have the
wrong model there but I'm close) with the control characters all the other
sizes of Chicago (14pt?) do not contain the special characters, and the Fonts
in ROM are used before the fonts in the system file (you could at one time
ResEdit out Chicago, Monoco and Geneva from you system file to save disk
space).

Also (responding to several complaints that POPchar was slow) if you are
using POPChar (or Keycaps or Norton Keyfinder) with a TrueType font (with no
bitmap of the requested size available) it will take several sconds for the
mac to render the entire font, remember you are asking for 255 Characters all
at once.

Happy Holidays
Louis Mackey

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 08:41:27 -0800
From: Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca
Subject: cmd key, splat key, flower key, fan key...

David Lawrence asks:

>> => Darn it, could someone please remind me how to create the cmd-key
>> => character in the Chicago font.

Control-q works, provided your application doesn't pounce on control
characters.

Pete Tomas also replies:

>> And to prevent this in the future, you should have PopChar 2.5.2 by
>Gunther

PopChar is up to at least 2.6.2 now. It's neat indeed, although it doesn't
display the font you're working in in all applications (particularly
FrameMaker and other things that have nonstandard font selection
mechanisms). Apple's own Key Caps will also work.

Best wishes to all for the holidays

Mike Dustan, Computing Services, Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC
Canada     Mike_Dustan@sfu.ca


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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 08:41:23 MST
From: jlundell@opus.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Subject: Command in Chicago elaborated

The question of Chicago symbols is somewhat subtle, but the command
cloverleaf symbol is easy.

The DA KeyCaps, supplied with Systems 6 & 7, will happily show you
the command symbol in Chicago. If necessary, type it, select it, Copy it,
and Paste it where it needs to go. Don't forget to assign the Chicago
font to the pasted character.

In brief, there appears to be a 12-point Chicago built into the ROMs or
something. It has the command symbol, but not several other symbols
of interest. The TT version of Chicago has, in addition to the command
symbol, several other symbols of interest--for example, the option
symbol (railroad switch) that MS uses in its Word menus.

To see it, get a Chicago control-A into your doc, and then change to
size to, say, 11 points. The TT version will be forced, and voila!

I don't know about the disk-based bitmapped versions; I don't happen to
have any on my disk.

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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 14:32:25 +0100
From: frtjs@fy.chalmers.se (Johan Swahn)
Subject: Difficulties with a Quantum 1800S

Our department has bought a Quantum 1.8 Gbyte external hard drive (Quantum
1800S mechanism). While it works well on some Macintosh models it does not
work at all on others. On these "non-working" models (so far PB 170, II si,
II vx, it works on a Quadra 700 and a Centris 610) it is not possible even
to start up the computer with the large drive as only the external SCSI
device. The internal drive never boots. If the drive is attached after
start-up it is possible to see the drive in SCSI Probe, HD Toolkit and
Silver Lining but it is not possible to mount or format the drive.

It sounds like there is something wrong with just the drive that we got and
that it should just be replaced. The problem is that the store that we
bought it from say that they have had a similar problem with another drive
with the same mechanism and that it might be a generic problem for the
mechanism. We have been lent a smaller drive while they contact their
distributer to see if this may the case, but if it is a generic problem we
need to start to look for another mechanism. We want to be able to move the
drive around between Macs.

Can anybody give me solid information that might be relevant to this problem?

Thanks!

Johan Swahn (frtjs@fy.chalmers.se)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 07:50:55 -0700
From: bmnatio@sass165.sandia.gov
Subject: DTMF Tone generator

Does anyone know of a program that will take a list of numbers in a file
and convert them into DTMF  tones to be used in updating a lengthy voice
mailing distribution list on our local voice mail/message service on our
phones? The normal (and much slower) method is to enter and update them by
hand.  The ditribution list is the same as that of a email address list
except that it is with voice mail. This is needed so that the list can be
updated via computer and not by hand. Therefore, the program should be able
to work with a modem and a communications program, or have one built in (I
need to be able to dial up the phone list).
Thanks in advance!
Please send all replays to: bmnatio@sandia.gov

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 00:20 CST
From: jpoutine@spu1.uwsp.edu
Subject: FaxSTF - no upgrade policy

I've been reading about the nice new interface for FaxSTF 3.0, but the less
desireable company support.  I had an unpleasant experience with them, and
wonder what others think.

I'm a "long-time" user of FaxSTF, currently version 2.2.3.  I thought about
upgrading to 3.0 to fix the bug it has that causes problems with the
LaserWriter Driver 8.x.

When I called, they said they had no real upgrade for current users, even to
correct the "bug."  However, they did offer their new $59 product for $49. Of
course, any new user can buy the product from MacWarehouse for $39.

I understand that they have an improved version of their product, but don't
software companies either provide a free bug fix, or, when bugs are fixed with
a new version, at least provide an honest upgrade path for current users?

Just wonder if I'm off base, or what?

Jay
jpoutine@spu1.uwsp.edu

------------------------------

Date: 21 Dec 1993 13:01:06 GMT
From: hskim@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (H S Kim)
Subject: IIgs monitor on mac?

Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>can i use a monitor that was previously used on a
>Apple IIgs on a mac duo with either a miniDock or
>a full Dock? do i need any special cable? the monitor
>is just labeled "AppleColor RGB Monitor" Model number
> A2M6014, manufactured feburary 1987. it has a 15
>pin connecter in the back, do i need an adapter for this?

>From what I've gathered in comp.sys.apple2 discussions, it doesn't
sound like it can be done. You might be better off asking a hardware
newsgroup like comp.sys.mac.hardware.

>btw, does anyone know the resolution and tube type of
>this monitor?

Sony Trinitron 12 inch (11.5 viewable).
.37mm tri-dot-pitch high-contrast (black matrix)

NTSC/60 15.734 kHz horizontal by 60Hz vertical.

Resolution is 640x200 pixels when used with a IIgs. (bleeck)


--
--Michael J. Kim (aka mips)   |  --Industrial Designer--
--hskim@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu      |  --RCA, London or Bust--

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 19:10:51 EST
From: <PHILLIPS@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject: Info-Mac Digest V11 #243

La Cie? It's simple...you want service...don't
buy from La Cie. If you don't care about service,
initial price is all-important, buy from La Cie.

I bought from La Cie...Once...I'll never buy from
them again. Gee...just the controversy ought to
tell you something!

Bill Phillips, Chair
Economics Department
University of Southern Maine

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 09:42:46 EST
From: A Moiseff <MOISEFF%UCONNVM.BITNET@Forsythe.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: Installing Laserwriter8 (Q)

Attempts to install Laserwriter8.. (downloaded from apple) on
a MacSI with system 7.1 result  in an OSErr after the files are
decompressed and begin to get written to disk.  Any suggestions
would be welcome.
respond to moiseff@uconnvm.uconn.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 11:44:01 +0100
From: Michael.Ratcliffe@ecrc.de (M.J. Ratcliffe)
Subject: Kai's Photoshop Power Tips by FTP

HSC Software, publishers of Kai's Power Tools amongst other products, have
recently established an Internet ftp server. All the KPT series up to and
including #23 are available directly from here. The connection information
is:

	Host:      ftp.netcom.com
	Directory: pub/hsc

Currently the files are not binhexed and so need to be downloaded in mac
binary mode.

Merry Christmas everyone ... and thanks for the Christmas present HSC :-)))

--michael

 -------------------
Michael J. Ratcliffe
ECRC GmbH
Arabellastr. 17
D-81925 Muenchen
Germany

tel: +49 89 92699-135
fax: +49 89 92699-170

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 08:48:00 -0600 (CST)
From: "Larry Rymal:T.E.M.U.G.-EAST_TEXAS-" <lrymal@tenet.edu>
Subject: Mac "REAL" multitasking...? (r)

Folks,

	Several netters have written quite a few letters to me, stating
that their equipment can Fetch in the background while they are doing work
in the foreground without any ill effects, i.e., no download interrupts, etc.
Others have written stating that they have had no difficulty at all while
using a modem and doing foreground work.
	Here is the current situation as to where I'm having problems:

1) LCIII, with System 7.1, and appropriate Apple Hardware System updaters.
2) Three communications programs attempted, two without the Apple
   Communication Toolbox, one with.
3) No Fetch abilities, no Slip, TCP, or any direct network tie in.
4) Dial-in without Slip, using a 14400 baud modem at 57600 throughput.

	Here are the problems:

1) Begin download with z-modem protocal.  Transfer rate of about 3400cps
   with a text file.  Wonderful!  Whoosh!  ZING!
2) Hold down the mouse button as an experiment.  Transfer slows and then
   stops.  Let up on the button.  The transfer may or may not resume.
   This is not 'real-world', so let's get realistic.
3) Bootup a long-loading program, such as PhotoShop 2.5.  Lots of disk
   access.  Transfer grinds to a halt before PhotoShop finishes its
   loading up.
4) Let's try something else.  Load up FullWrite Professional 1.7.  Transfer
   merely slows down.  Looks good!  Do some typing.  No problem.  Now,
   let's OPEN a file.

   Whoops!  As FullWrite file selector comes up, the file transfer
   grinds to a halt.  Unable to resume transfer.


	Ok, that is my situation.  No doubt the problems would not be as
profound on the AV that I originally used.
	In summary, I can cause a transer abort with disk access and mouse
button activity.  The problem occurs with or without the Apple
Communications Toolbox related programs.  The programs that I'll name are
Z-Term and MicroPhone Pro.  I'd like to have the liberty of not naming the
third program but it uses the Toolbox.  I am not networked, nor do I have
Slip ability with the service that I use.
	So, correct or not, the reason for my conclusion was the
performance of this LCIII and to a lesser extent, although it is the
machine that I originally noticed the problem on, a Mac 840AV.
	Maybe....someday.

--Larry Rymal <lrymal@tenet.edu>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 17:50:54 -0600 (CST)
From: "Larry Rymal:T.E.M.U.G.-EAST_TEXAS-" <lrymal@tenet.edu>
Subject: Mac "REAL" multitasking...? (r) (fwd)

Folks,

	This is a forward from Mac-L.  I'm not sure if it has already
reached Info-Mac or not, so please forgive me if it is a duplicate.
However, this appears to be an excellent summary of why the Mac has
problems during downloads and running programs in the foreground.

--Larry Rymal <lrymal@tenet.edu>
................................................


--Elmars Ositis wrote:
>>
>>The serial port buffer on the macs is quite small, in fact it is much
>>smaller than serial port buffers on the typical pc serial port card.
>
----Hades wrote
>    Excuse me? Where did you get this from?

I have been involved in the development of faxmodems for pc's and serial
port based hand-held scanners for macs. Buffer size was a problem on the
macs. The mac's serial ports, for compatibility reasons have not changed
since the days of the mac plus, i.e. ten years ago. Serial port cards on
PCs have been able to take advanage of newer IC's which have larger buffers
built into them. The mac has been able to deal with this limitation bcause
the serial port is a part of the main system board, and as serial port
communications speeds have increased over time, so have main system board
bus speeds and processor speeds increased, allowing the faster processor to
get around to fetching the data from the buffer much more frequently,
negating the need for a larger buffer.

>
>>However, the serial port is part of the mac system configuration, and the
>>system knows to periodically check the state of the buffer in order to
>>prevent a buffer overflow. What's my point? Well the lc3 does not have
>>enough horsepower to get around to all of the system maintenance tasks it
>>needs to when running the serial port at 57 kilobits.
>
>    This is nonsense. The serial ports on the Mac are rated to run at
>the speed of LocalTalk which is 240 kbs. Remember the Mac doesn't use
>standard RS 232 serial ports, it uses RS 242 serial ports.
>

1) apple uses RS 422 ports (nitpicking)

2) Appletalk is a special consideration, and at the os level has a
different priority level than a serial connection. For example, you will
not slow down an appletalk file transfer by holding down the mouse button,
or by having one of the older modal dialog boxes open, because an appletalk
interrupt has a much higher priority level than a user interface interrupt.
A serial port interrupt has relatively low priority.

For example on an old plus or an SE, the mouse will literally stop when
there is an appletalk file transfer taking place. As the gentleman who
started this whole discussion has discovered, a serial port connection has
a much lower priority than his mouse, and therefore when he holds down his
mouse button, his download will stop.

Also, you must remember that the two serial ports on the back of the mac
look the same, however you can only run an appletalk connection on the
printer port, not the modem port. There is a special interrupt for the
printer port when the mac is running appletalk. This interrupt is disabled
when you disable appletalk to use the printer port for a serial
connection. This interrupt has a higher priority than the scsi driver, in
order to allow maximum use of the appletalk bandwidth for file transfers
to your hd, because your scsi bus has a much higher transfer speed.

Its been a few years since I last looked into this stuff, but that is the
gist of it.

>>Solution? run the serial port at 19k, and you may find that your
>>downloads are much more successful, because the machine will have three
>>times as much time to get around to checking the state of the buffer.
>
>    This also doesn't make very much sense. He wasn't actually running
>the serial port at 57.6 kbs, he was running at 14.4 kbs with compression
>turned on. The only way he could run at 19.2 kbs would be if he was
>connected to a modem that ran at that speed.

Correction. The guy had a MODEM to MODEM connect rate at 14.4 k, however
the serial connection between the modem and the computer was running at
57.6 k. The modem buffers and retransmits the data at the appropriate speed
for the appropriate connection. Therefore it retransmits the packets to the
mac at a speed of 57.6k and the mac MUST swallow it at this rate or dump
it.

However, if he runs the serial connection at 19.2k (remember, this is
still a higher rate than the modem transmits to the other end) he will be
able to obtain MOST of the modem compression advantages (you are
transferring compressed files, right?), and allow the mac three times as
much time to get back to reading the serial port buffer which should
provide fewer download errors.

elmars

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 08:48:15 MST
From: jlundell@opus.com (Jonathan Lundell)
Subject: Mac diskettes

I've had a hell of a time with HD diskettes in my IIcx for years, and I
think I've finally found a solution: Sony.

I've had very poor reliability with 3M and Fujitsu HDs; mediocre with TDK.
Finally switched to Sony, and can for the first time format several boxes
without rejects, do big backups, etc. The ones I'm using are marked
"MFD-2HD".

In the old days (big diskettes, not Macs), Dysan made some of the best
diskettes around. I've seen Dysan again now after a long absence, on the
shelves of Fry's. I assume the old and new Dysan are related in name only;
anyone know differently?

It does appear to me that Apple's FDHD drives are somewhat pickier about
diskette quality than good single-speed drives.

In older Macs there's no door on the floppy. In many environments the
drive's interior gets really filthy because the system's fan draws dust
in through the floppy. There are no doubt more elegant solutions, but a
simple one is a strip of masking tape across the floppy opening.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 16:58:18 -0600
From: stuarte@crt.com (Stuart Ericson)
Subject: Mac IIcx serial port: output only?!

Over the weekend, my Mac IIcx (8MB/230MB, tons 'o inits) stopped recieving
data.  It has become an OUTPUT-only port.  I can still send commands to my
modem  (ATDT555121, for example) and it does them, but NOTHING echoes back.

At first I thought it was modem or software, but I booted without inits,
and used a different program (zterm vs versaterm) and borrowed a second
modem (AT&T vs Hayes), the problem still occurred.  I attatched a loopback
connect to the end of the cable, and the echoing happened.

What else can I try?  I rebooted with command-option-p-r to reset the pram,
but I only seem to have lost other params.  Could my port be dead?  Or
is it a sneaky cable thing?  If I switch to the printer port, everything
seems to work fine.

This setup (modem and cable) have been working as long as I have had the
computer (almost 4 years).

Thanks in advance!

Stuart "Any port in a storm" Ericson
stuarte@crt.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 13:34:16 PST
From: lingenjs@biola.edu
Subject: Mac Multitasking

Larry Rymal writes:

>        Try downloading a large file via your modem and a standard
>terminal program.  Now, boot up another program and do something fairly
>active.  Try to ignore what is occuring in the background.  If it is a
>word processor, do some heavy typing or graphics manipulations.  Do
>this for about five minutes or so.
>       Return to your terminal program.  More than likely, you'll see
>that your session has disconnected, timed out, or there have been
>several retries during the download session.

I find this a little hard to believe. I have a Quadra 700, with a Global
Village Teleport Gold. Just two days ago I was doing all of the
following at the same time: (1) Downloading Four Files from a First
Class BBS (2) Running Sound Trecker 2.0E and listening to music (3)
Decompressing with StuffIT Expander files that I had already received
and (4) Looking up names and addresses in word for my wife who is
writing Christmas Cards. All of my transfers were received in a timely
fashion, all my files were uncompressed, the music played without a
hitch, and my wife got her cards done.

Back when I had an SE, I used to use multifinder to play tetris during
Zterm downloads, in system 6 no less! I find that my experience and
yours differ wildly. The Amiga and the ST have great multitasking
systems, but in my experience at least, the Mac is not as bad at this as
you would imply.

Joel Lingenfelter
lingenjs@biola.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 15:11:36 -1000 (HST)
From: Kenwrick Chan <kchan@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu>
Subject: Modem recommedations ($300 or less)?

Any recommendations on modems in the price range of $300 or less?  Please
reply to my email account rather than the list.

thanks in advance!
kchan@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu

------------------------------

Date: 21 Dec 1993 11:20:06 +0000
From: hewat@ill.fr (Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble)
Subject: New MacIntosh Unix file sharing software from Xinet

A while back people asked about mounting Unix disks on
the Mac desktop, and Mac disks on Unix.  The Xinet products
K-AShare and K-Spool (Appleshare on Unix for SGI, Sun, HP)
were mentioned.  I use K-AShare myself and love it.

Xinet now has a new product, K-FS, that allows Mac directories
to be visualised on Silicon Graphics machines ($295).  These
products make integration of Macs and SGI Indigos (which are
already like super-Macs) completely transparent.

Xinet is on email at sales@xinet.com.


Alan Hewat, ILL Grenoble, FRANCE (hewat@ill.fr) Fax (France=33).76.48.39.06

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 15:32:08 +1000
From: Dr. G. Paul Savage <paul.savage@mercury.chem.csiro.au>
Subject: None

This may seem silly but my menu bar clock (Now-Up-to-Date) has suddenly changed
to display the leading zero (ie. 03:25 instead of 3:25 as it used to be).
Although I would consider myself no novice to the Mac :-) I'll be darned if I
can figure out how to change it back. The time reads 03:25 in my "General"
control panel -- although on other machines around here the leading zero is not
there in the General control panel -- and I can change from 24 hr mode to 12 hr
mode and back but I still get the leading zero. What gives people?

Paul

paul.savage@mercury.chem.csiro.au -- Australian Science....Australia's Future

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1993 08:06:46 -0600
From: "Joshua B. Colglazier"  <coljos@homer.bethel.edu>
Subject: PB 100 startup solution

As many of you may know, the PB 100 has a "defect" (not recognized by
Apple) in recognizing its internal hard disk.  I started having problems
with this shortly after I purchased it a few days ago.  On two separate
occassions, the bus and my accountants office, the PB 100 refused to get
past the "flashing question mark on the disk" screen.

This morning I installed a new driver using LaCie's Silverlining 5.5.
My PB 100 has started up perfectly every time!  For those PB 100 users
out there who have Silverlining 5.5, this is a great solution!  For those
PB 100 users who don't, it still doesn't help them.

However, I would be willing to contact LaCie and request a limited
version of their driver specifically for this problem.  I have contacted
LaCie about this problem and the technician that I spoke with stated
that the symptom listed above was most commonly caused by the "~" key
being too long and preventing the drive physically from spinning up.
He suggested that this key could be trimmed from the inside (by an
authorized technician of course) and that sometimes solves the problem.

Joshua B. Colglazier (coljos@homer.bethel.edu)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 08:53:18 GMT
From: kathomas@nyx.cs.du.edu (Karl Thomas)
Subject: Preemptive Downloads and MacIntercomm

I've heard a lot of talk about the Macs inability to download in the
background.  The latest copy of the Macwarehouse catalog advertises
"MacIntercomm Lite" for $3.0.  Among it's other features the ad claims it
can "preemptively download" in the background even when cpu intensive
programs are run.  Has anybody had any experience with this product?  How
well does it work?  If it works as well as advertised, I won't care if
the Mac ever does preemptive multitasking.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 15:24:05 GMT
From: harmony@ccsg.tau.ac.il (Haephrati Michael)
Subject: Printer Driver Needed

I am looking for a printer driver to be used with Citizen Swift 24 pins
(color printer). Can any one help? Please send email.

Michael.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:56:42 -0500
From: meg@rs710.gsfc.nasa.gov (Michael E. Grabenstein)
Subject: Real Multi-tasking...

	NOt to flame you, but I think you are talking about
Pre-emtive Multi-tasking. Multi-Taksing has a pretty vague
definition...

	There has been talk about when the PowerPC Macs come out
the OS will have Pre-emptive capabilites. But the rumor is not sure
whether that is just for the PowerPC version of the OS, or for all
versions of the OS. (I hope all)

	Try MacIntercon (or MacIntercom, I forget which). It will
make sure your download occurs without a hitch, of course all other
programs running suffer...

	About the architecture, No I think the macs could do it. Just
the MacOS has never been designed to do it. Problem is from keeping it
compatible to old programs written for the Multi-finder (I think).

	I hope Apple does improve the finder's "Multi-Tasking, since
having multiple application open doing things has caught on so well.

	Heck, I have really wanted a Mac with dual 680x0 chips in it
for a long time. The Rocket seems like the way to do it, but I think it
would be smoother if a machine was built from the ground up as a
Multi-processor machine. Maybe the AV machines will grow up into such
a beast. (we can only hope.)

Later,
	Mike

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 16:28:06 -0600
From: monty-hampton@uokhsc.edu (Monty Hampton)
Subject: Remote Access - Advice Please!

Happy Holidays, Netters!

Here is my dilemma...

I would like to be able to dial into my IIci at work from home. At work I
have an A/B box on the modem port with one port connected to the modem, the
other to our mainframe (used frequently throughout the day). My printer
port is connected to my AppleTalk network. My questions are:

Is there an A/B switching device available that will automatically switch
to the modem for incoming calls or is there another solution to the A/B
situation (short of always having to switch back and forth each day)?

Is it best to purchase a modem capable of booting the system or should I
leave my system on and just turn off the monitor (or leave the monitor on,
too)?

Should I go with ARA or Timbuktu?

Is there anything else I should anticipate or consider?

Any and all advice will be much appreciated. I will post a summary of
responses if you would please respond directly to monty-hampton@uokhsc.edu.


TIA!!

E.M. Hampton, Pharm.D.
Director & Clinical Associate Professor
Pharmacokinetic Dosing & Research Unit
OKC DVAMC (#119)
921 NE 13th Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73104
(405) 270-1549
monty-hampton@uokhsc.edu or
gators80@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 17:54:10 +0900
From: rafac@tanimoto.nuee.nagoya-u.ac.jp
Subject: Serial Tool. Last Version?

Hi netters!
 I am trying to use Termy, a freeware communications program that uses the
comunications toolbox. The thing is that I can't get to work the Serial
Tool.  I have obtained it from ftp.apple.com,
dts/mac/sys.soft/netcomm/basic-conn-1.1.1.hqx

Other tools, such as the Apple Modem Tool work correctly, but for linking to
a unix machine I need the Serial Tool.
The Serial Tool appears in the communication tools menu, but when I select
it I get an Alert Box: The selected tool is not avaliable. Using the
previous tool.

Any clues will be appreciated. I Think the tool I am using is outdated.
Where could I get the last one from? I have tried without any init or cdevs
installed, but the result is the same. My computer is a PB 165.


Rafael Collantes
Nagoya University
Japan.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 16:28:23 MST
From: pothiers@aries.saic.com (Steve Pothier)
Subject: Summagraphics digitizing tablet?

I just bought a used Summagraphics digitizing tablet but don't know
how to hook it up to my SE/30.  Anyone have any experience with the
beast.  Any hints would be appreciated.

Steve Pothier
pothiers@aries.saic.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 16:32:44 -0500 (EST)
From: yoko@research.nj.nec.com  (Yoko Ozawa)
Subject: Tape Drives/Tape formats (Q)

Hi!

We are in the process of deciding what tape drive to get for backing
up Mac hard drives. Since the tape drive is intended to be available
for individual backups, the size of backups will probably vary from as
little as 80MB to as much as 750MB (500MB internal + 200 or more
external).  From what I have read, 60m DAT tapes give you ~1.3GB and
90m DAT tapes give you ~2GB uncompressed, which seems reasonable,
counting future expansion.

However, my supervisor has thrown in a couple of conditions:
1. The drive should be also usable on PC's and/or Unix workstations,
if possible.
2. The tape should be a format that is popular in other universities
and research institutions (Physics and Computer Science departments)
since our scientists may want to use this medium as a method of
exchanging files/data.

So, I would appreciate it very much if you could help me out by
letting me know what kind of tape formats and drives you would
recommend (becausef if DAT is not a popular format, I should consider
something else). For exchanging files, is TEAC the more widely used
mechanism? Isn't that slower?

Since the users will be making the backups themselves, ease of use and
single-tape-if-we-can-help-it is also a consideration.  I'm focusing
on Retrospect as the backup software, if you have any comments,
positive or negative, I would appreciate that too.

Thank you!

Yoko
----
Yoko Ozawa
Mac Systems Administrator
yoko@research.nj.nec.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue 21 Dec 93 11:42:07-EST
From: TAPPYM@INDY.NAVY.MIL
Subject: WANTED: List for Amiga Users

Allan Hunter asks:
>Anyone know of a list similar to this one for Amiga users?  If so,
>please let me know.

Try subscribing to I-AMIGA by sending the following command to
LISTSERV@UTARLVM1.UTA.EDU (or any favorite listserver)

SUBSCRIBE I-AMIGA Firstname Lastname

Michael G. Tappy             (317) 351-4241
Naval Air Warfare Center     TAPPYM@INDY.NAVY.MIL

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 93 15:03:12 MEZ
From: David Steiner <DSTEINER@dosuni1.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
Subject: Xmas-Lights

After reading Paul Brian's post in IM 238 regarding the possible conflict
between X-mas Lights and his sound control panel, I bravely opened up
mine to see if I, too, could lock up my machine. (No, I don't go around
deliberately slamming my fingers in doors to see if it hurts, but I am
a scientist and it was an experiment in the interest of furthering
human knowledge.......;-)

Anyway, there was no crash but, no matter which sound I clicked on,
there was no change, i.e. when I clicked on Sunami or Simple Beep, I
still heard Wild Eep.

I did experience one system disturbance, however, since installing
X-mas Lights. I tried using Toggle Floppy Icon and the machine locked.
Quitting the Finder allowed me to save the Word doc that I had open but
the Finder never really recovered correctly; icons were missing from the
desktop, and I had transparent windows (all the folders were visible and
part of the frame but the desktop pattern showed though behind the icons.
Kind of a cool effect but hard to work with).

I, like Paul, am running a IIsi and 7.0.1 but only half a zillion INITs.
Since I don't intend to keep X-mas lights on it for more than another
week or so and I have not had any other problems so far, I am not
too worried. I would suggest to those who are a bit more cautious
than I (...life on the edge-complete with slamming doors...) that this
is not a perfectly stable piece of software and it could have
side effects.

Merry Christmas to All!

-David-

David R. Steiner, Research Assoc., Remote Sensing & GIS
ISPA-Uni. Osnabrueck     D-49364 Vechta, Germany

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 15:00:21 PST
From: Paul Brians <BRIANS@WSUVM1.CSC.WSU.EDU>
Subject: XMAS Lights problems (A)

Thanks to all those who wrote me about my problem with xmas-lights.
Two people had problems similar to mine, one had serious problems
that seemingly went away when he switched to 1.1, two other people
wrote to note no problems (except some slowdown).  My IIsi would
reliably crash whenever I used a control panel while xmas lights was
running.  But then my system was having problems (it went into the
shop today with a dead hard drive), so it may have been partly my
problem.  However, it does seem cdevs in particular tend to conflict
with it.

Paul Brians, Washington State University, Pullman, WA  99164-5020

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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 93 11:24:25 MET
From: news@cs.vu.nl

Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.digest
Path: abbestee
From: abbestee@cs.vu.nl (Wouter Abbestee)
Subject: Re: Netter's Dinner @ MacWorld
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Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
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Date: Tue, 21 Dec 1993 10:24:21 GMT
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Info-Mac@sumex-aim.stanford.edu writes:

>It is time once again for the Netter's Dinner @ MacWorld.  This  is the first
>of three calls for reservations.  Feel free to invite your friends.

When will we ever see a MacWorld in the Netherlands again? :-(

wouter

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